Pull the slide backward and off the frame. 0000008135 00000 n There are no Llama pistols designated as Models XII, XIII, and XIV as these designations have been reserved for and are used on the Llama revolvers. Mod. To know factually, it will work with H-P's and low velocity ammo. As for his price being overinflated, at $500-$600 for each, to me yes his price is very inflated. Its headquarters were in Eibar in the Basque Country, Spain, but they also had workshops during different times in Elgoibar and Vitoria. Which is a coded date. the earlly pistols had smooth slides, then the rib appeared in the 1950s. 0000014473 00000 n The first pistol produced was an exact copy of the Colt Mod. A further improvement of the blowback pattern was undertaken and this second blowback style was issued from 1935 on. This is not John Waynes revolver it is a modern work of art! III and is merely a smaller version of that model (Fig. X, with the addition of a grip safety, which was added immediately following World War II. In 1931, company began to produce a semi-automatic pistol based on Colt Model 1911. After WWI, Gabilondo y Urresti changed the company name to Llama and updated their catalog with several updates to the Colt M1911 design, which remained in production as the Llama Max series into the 2000s, as well as revolvers such as the Comanche and Martial series, which were cloned S&Ws in many respects. The pistol would fail-to-feed every 2 or 3 rounds and the lead would have a smile where it caught on the feed ramp. Remington's Nylon 66 semi-automatic .22 LR rifles have grown from 1950s bargain buys to 21st century collectors darlings. A document sent to me some time ago, and which I just now noticed, is the same sheet as the above table from the nice people at Ipar Guns. 0000017631 00000 n VII (or IV) style are known to have been made in the 7.63 Mauser caliber, expressly for the German trade, and it is possible that the designation of Mod. Forum. Go for walks together. Mod. Remove the cylindrical pin, located at the bottom rear of the receiver, which holds the cylinder in place. Principal among these was a trio of pistol and revolver makers that operated primarily from the Eibar area in northern Spains Basque region Astra, Llama, and Star. 0000009135 00000 n The legitimate design patents are usually prefaced by Co." (for Concedido) and during the period 1915 to 1922, when there was a virtual epidemic of new Spanish pistols, these patent numbers ranged from 60,000 to 71,000. Did anybody just check Mitch's 'stickie' at the top of the first page of the forum? 175). Mod. Pull the extractor rod located at the back of the frame. .45, plus the small-frame .22 .32 .380s. The exact year of manufacture can be found at this link for most Spanish firearms as the date codes were government mandated along with proof marks. Push the recoil spring assembly forward and off the frame. In 1931 it was decided to modernize their line by undertaking the manufacture of the external hammer, recoil-operated system originally designed by Browning and used by Colt and the Fabrique Nationale. There will be a Spanish date of proof code located with or near the proof marks. VII, but in three calibers: 7.65 mm. Llama Firearms officially known as Llama-Gabilondo y Cia SA was a Spanish arms company founded in 1904 under the name Gabilondo and Urresti. Date Codes" in this section. YouTube personality, Graham Baates, gives us a video breakdown and review of the Llama Max-1 1911 Handgun in .45 acp. A SPANISH pistol is currently worth an average price of $330.65 new and $202.21 used . The first three years of proofing (1927-29) were reportedly somewhat confused, so dates of manufacture may vary widely from the stamped date. Make: Llama Model: Martial Serial Number: S806430 Year of Manufacture: 1969-1976 Caliber:.38 Special Action Type: Single and Double Action Revolver with Swing-Out Cylinder Markings: The left side of the barrel is marked "Gabilondo y CIA. VII, but with the addition of a grip safety. There are 28 letters or letter-combinations, as explained in the chart below. Largo, and .45 ACP. 1955. pistol translate: pistola, pistola [feminine, singular]. This addition seems to have been the first application of a grip safety to a Llama pistol and was introduced prior to World War II. The table below indicates the various year codes. 1911A1, but without the grip safety, and in 9 mm. Just use this handy translation code list. Imported to Nazi Germany during the World War Two by During 1969 the Hi-Power pistol Serial Number code was changed to a two digit year and "C" prefix. V Made in 9 mm. I This was a 7.65 mm. III-A This post-World War II version of Mod. You should also label each packet with the variety name, date, and a brief description (e.g. Roger brought it up this last Feb 2009 before I asked to have a sticky made of the info. 2023 GunBroker.com, LLC. IV and is, therefore, the original Llama pistol, manufacture of which dates from 1932. Outdoor Hub, LLC (d/b/a Carbon Media Group), 30800 Telegraph Rd, Suite 1921, Bingham Farms, MI 48025 USA. Its 387000 range serial number is correct for the Year 1967, so the final digit 1 of the date code simply did not stamp strongly enough to be seen through the chrome plating. Mod. 0000060510 00000 n This pistol is still in production. LLAMA. 0000004154 00000 n Please refer to the References . When first issued no model number was assigned but the factory catalog designation was No. 23.4 KB Views: . SaveShare Reply schutzen-jager Show your llama that you are trustworthy. Z=1954, A1 = 1955 etc . 0000065199 00000 n Jupiter .32 Cal Semi-Auto Pistol. with a variety of proofmarks. In fact, yours may be quite hard to find or read. %PDF-1.3 % Every 28 years or so (there are inexplicable gaps) they start a new series, by adding a number to the end of the letter codes. A place for the discussion of all types of curio & relic firearms, including questions and answers about their markings, origin. Likewise, the year 1981 was represented with the code A2. The company expanded during WWI with getting in on the Ruby pistol racket and emerged the better for it and by 1921 engineer Pedro Careaga had developed the Astra 400, which would replace the Campo-Giro in the Spanish military. The caliber is stamped just below the maker's name, "CAL 7.65M/M (32) "LLAMA"". Largo/.38 ACP is identical to Mod. By the way, all Spanish pistols have a date code on the frame. Need Help?service@guns.comCall (866)582-4867, PO Box 1131 13800 Nicollet Blvd Burnsville, MN 55337 2023Guns.com. This compact, bushy plant produces bright red tomatoes that ripen early in the season. Roger, that's a great post, and thank you for that. LLAMA22r.jpg. adam762 Apr 7, 2019 adam762 Well-known member Gold Contributor FALaholic # 11334 Joined Jul 28, 2003 Posts 5,118 Location Washington Court House, OH Feedback: 269 / 1 / 0 So based on what I know about dating Spanish pistols, this could either be 1927, 1932, or Jan of 1978. Every 28 years or so (there are inexplicable gaps) they start a new series, by adding a number to the end of the letter codes. Commercial proofing. Pull the firing pin and extractor from the slide. 1946 = 2. It was produced from 1936 and was still made in 1953 but does not appear in 1955 factory literature. The bullet between instead of asterisk above is something I have not seen. After the close of World War II certain models were dropped, grip safeties were added to the remaining models, and a .22 caliber pistol was introduced. 0000002610 00000 n It appears that this patent is exclusive to the Russian Federation, with exporting to Belarus and K-stan and importing from Germany being allowed. Remove the magazine from the pistol by pressing the magazine catch release located on the left side of the gun near the trigger guard. VIII This is identical to the Mod. The Ukrainian Tribute Growout is a great opportunity for tomato lovers to get their hands on some unique and delicious varieties. For pistols built after 1936 slide marking reads: "LLAMA GABILONDO Y CIA ELOEIBAR (ESPANA) CAL 9MM .380". quote:Originally posted by AdamsQuailHunter. Probably the same year though, so its a good guide. Unload the gun and make sure it is clear of all ammunition. Pull the trigger guard assembly out of the frame, located at the bottom of the gun. X This pistol, in 7.65 mm. Epic 22 Pocket Pistol: The Beretta 71 Jaguar. The left side of the slide is marked Gabilondo Y Cia. 1911. As these guns took readily-available blanks and looked very similar to the classic M1911, the Star 9mm appeared in literally hundreds of movies and TV shows in the 1960s, 70s, and 80s. The flaming torch is also used in the same type grip. Proof marks are often very shallow, and in obscure places, like far up the trigger guard. Imported to Nazi Germany during the World War Two by. . Though there was another one operating for a short time in the early 1920s, Eibar is the one and only Spanish government proof house for most of the 20th century. Spanish shops quickly began making their own copies of this very popular pistol, and one of them hit the proverbial jackpot. This version was imported long ago by Garcia in Washington D.C. and is in mint condition. All Rights Reserved, Astra, Llama & Star: Spending Time with Some Spanish Pistols. This dates from about 1935 and was produced until about 1954. They may be under the stocks, and on small guns, very often are completely or partly under the grip panels. Next, remove the barrel from the slide. I looked under the grips - both sides - nothing there. 0000010495 00000 n The year code may appear on the frame above the trigger or under the grip IX-A This is the .45 ACP caliber, to which a grip safety was added immediately following World War II. II This 9 mm. 0000012066 00000 n The testing includes a detailed visual inspection as well 0000018357 00000 n I assume the Star chart is accurate for the Llama? Here's what you need to know about the project. models of 1903, 1906, 1910, and 1922. Remove the hammer and mainspring assembly from the frame, located just above the trigger. On a Llama it is usually on the left side of the frame just above the trigger guard. JavaScript is disabled. VI This has been reported to be in 9 mm. 0000013902 00000 n At the bottom of it is, however, another note. Years ser. Registered Member. Send me email be sure to leave the subject line prefix or your message will be filtered out! Remove the cylinder latch plunger located in the frame above the trigger. As implied above, with proof date codes, you can get an accurate and reasonably precise date on your Star pistol. . Get to know your llama. This is a post-World War II production. I, to which no model number was originally assigned. Remove the firing pin and firing pin spring. The oldest of the three by a year, Llama-Gabilondo y Cia SA, best known as Llama, dated back to 1904 when the company ran under the banner of its two principal gunsmiths, Gabilondo y Urresti. At this point, you will have the main components of the weapon disassembled. The three proof marks indicate receipt at the proof house, passing of proof, and the date of proofing. A forum community dedicated to Shotgun owners and enthusiasts including the Remington, Beretta, and Mossberg shotguns brands. The codes are the same whether it's a Llama, a Star, or an Astra SPANISH PROOF MARKS, cont. The used value of a SPANISH pistol has risen $42.12 dollars over the past 12 months to a . #925888. In the companys later years, they produced guns geared towards the concealed carry market like the Firestar and Ultrastar. pistol. Take out the trigger, sear and hammer strut located at the rear of the frame. The deal included a partial box of some cheap 9mm ammo with cast bullets. This is still speculative, as there is no clear X or X1 date code to accompany it, but the pistol is of the style that would have been made in 1978, and the T1 is not an absolutely convincing date code due to size and format. Mod. Unscrew and remove the two takedown pins located on either side of the frame, just above the trigger guard. IV. 9 m/m 38 "Llama" On the right side of the slide is "LLAMA" EXTRA..no other markings on the slide. Learn more in the Cambridge English-Spanish Dictionary. Just use this handy translation code list. 0000016042 00000 n Pull the trigger return spring out of the frame. Pull those off (for many guns, like the Firestar, be careful not to move the safety as a plunger can become dislodged and fly away, lost forever when the grips are off) and look if you have no other luck. Llama pistols are now made in the Philippines, by Metro Arms and imported into the U.S. by Eagle Imports of Wanamassa, New Jersey. For Llama pistols built prior to 1936 slide marking reads: "GABILONDO Y CIA ELOEIBAR (ESPANA) CAL 9MM/.380IN LLAMA". Largo (Bergmann) and .38 ACP calibers this appears to be the export version of Mod. SPANISH PROOF MARKS PrOOF mark CirCa PrOOF hOuse tYPe OF PrOOF and gun since 1910 Eibar provisional black powder proof for shotguns . This is also a good example of how hidden proomarks can be. 1927, Spanish law has required that every firearm manufactured in Spain 0000006710 00000 n Assistir Chelsea X Leeds - Ao Vivo Grtis HD sem travar, sem anncios. Red Rocket is a determinate tomato variety that is well-suited to hot, muggy climates like those found south of Memphis. LLAMA Compact Frame Semi-Automatic :: Gun Values by Gun Digest Back LLAMA > Compact Frame Semi-Automatic Compact Frame Semi-Automatic 9mm or .45 ACP caliber semi-automatic pistol, with 4.25" barrel and 7- or 9-shot detachable magazine. At least one reader has a model PD with, apparently, the month and year of manufacture directly stamped on the frame. They were of high quality and have been sold around the world. Take out the safety lever and its spring. The one at the top looks like an original used Llama mag, but the three at the bottom kind of strike me as being Triple K copies. VII This pistol in 9 mm. startxref There are 3 on a typical commerical arm, and four on a typical military arm. Continue reading here: Glisenti pistols Fpb, FREE Military Tough 6-in-1 Tactical Survival Knife, Free 2nd Amendment Gun Rights Silver Coin, Green Beret Master Sergeant Home Security Checklist, Winning Plays Texted To Your Phone That Comes Directly From An Elite Team Of Sharps, Internal External and Terminal Ballistics, High Standard Pistols - Firearms identification, Drop In Auto Sear - AR15 to M16 Conversion. JavaScript is disabled. Place the safety in the "Off" position and your Llama 22 pistol is now loaded and ready to fire. Specializing in clones of FN pistols and various S&W revolvers, they catapulted into fame, of a sort, with their Ruby pistol in 1914. Clean and lubricate the individual parts and reassemble. began with A in 1927, and after reaching Z in 1954, continued with A1 in Yes, that means there are essentially no standards.